I love these pants as much as D-dry. the one concern I had was temp range, considering that they're Goretex and I wanted than as a winter pant. My first ride was with the thermal layer in, at 52 degrees, at night. I was sweating by the time I got home. Also, the liner is NOT flexible, so if you are between sizes and planning on using for cold weather, size up. These were too snug with the liner. The same size in D-dry pants, with liner, fits me perfectly. Also, the cut on these is more curve hugging, but good looking. Without the liner in, my ride from 52-70 degrees was incredibly comfortable. I would wear them up to 75 degrees before switching over to my vented D-dry's. Nice stretch to these pants, too, while I'm on the bike. I haven't used them in rain, yet, but they have a nice lining inside and I'm confident they will be fine. Worth every penny.